Anybody know what the heck this is?601 Database redigestation error.
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Every time I attempt to log into Redstate.com now, from any computer, I get this. I note the little bannage thing at the end and wonder have I been kicked out? I've been having a spirited debate there about the fact that the GOP does not consider blacks important to its aspirations for governance and it conducts its political business accordingly.
Now I can't log on anymore. Hmmmmmm.
Update: If you're reading this post, chances are you've been banned from Redstate too. Tell us in the comments, what was your independent thinking crime that got you booted?
I've been banned by some of the right-wing sites because I've posted arguments and questions about their less-than-thought-out positions.
ReplyDeleteApparently these folks are not interested in a discussion, only an exchange of like-mindness.
Your perception of the GOP is wrong. The GOP doesn't victimize blacks like the Democrats do to secure votes. We don't point out colors, where as the Democrats do. Look how Democrats talk about their own. Listen to the words Reid used yesterday to discuss Roland Burris. Listen to how Biden once described Obama. They see colors, and that's why they have to point out, gosh, here's a black man that's clean and articulate. Why don't you research how Democrats keep Jessie Jackson hushed and going along with the program.
ReplyDeleteClay, thats an interesting intellectual, philosophical argument you're making, but thats about all it is. You’re talking about how the democrats deal with race in an abstract, intellectual way. I understand the point I think you are trying to make. I say with great conviction though, you’re are not in touch with reality to complain that there is some big problem with the way Democrats deal with race and black voters when they are the guys who just elected the first black president! It may make for nice intellectual debate, but for purposes of the real world, the party that just made a black man president is really not going to have a problem laughing you out of the room when you suggest they have Jim Crow like practices in the conduct of their political business relative to blacks, while GOP party leaders are mailing out Magic Negro cds and defending their appropriateness.
ReplyDeleteTry to really dispassionately and objectively hear me on the following:
The GOP does not consider black voters to be a constituency critical, important or necessary to its aspirations for governance.
That is NOT an accusation that the GOP is racist. It IS a sound observation and conclusion supported by GOP behavior over time. The party routinely makes messaging mistakes like the magic negro parody distribution by Chip Salztman recently, and fails to make any serious effort to engage blacks as a constituency, something candidly acknowledged by some party leaders and even front runners for the RNC chair. In fact, it conducts messaging in a manner that purposefully paints it in seeming opposition to the interests of blacks and does so for political advantage. The only conclusion to be drawn from this continued behavior over time is that the GOP believes that it can win governance without the black constituency and has in fact done so for many years.
The GOP does not make messaging mistakes like the magic negro bit with any other group which it considers important to its aspirations for governance. Funky messaging happens with the black community often. Further, it happens up and down the party structure from leadership to state parties and among affiliated entities like college GOP groups, which to me is evidence of the broad based nature of the GOPs disinterest in blacks as a part of its governing coalition.
Talk about it honestly and candidly. The GOP takes care with its messaging to any number of political constituencies it considers important. The GOP spends time crafting policy approaches or initiatives that address constituencies it considers key to winning governance. It does not consider the black community key to its governance aspirations and that is why the GOP behaves cavalierly and carelessly in how it presents itself to blacks. Even when we have killer app policy prescriptions that go to the heart of black aspirations, we don’t deploy them or use them to build alliance. My favorite case in point in this regard? Charter schools. Why is it that the only place where a full blown charter school system in a major metropolitan city has been deployed was done by a democrat? (Indianapolis). Ridiculous. The GOP should be aggressively building alliances with the black community on this key educational concern with this free market and effective approach to transform public education. We sit on it. Why? Because the GOP does not consider this constituency to be important to winning governance or maintaining itself in power in relation to other constituencies. So the GOP does not make such investments.
This is obvious to blacks and therefore they don’t support the GOP, which GOP rank and file routinely and insultingly characterize as evidence that blacks are not politically savvy enough to figure out that democratic policy prescriptions don’t really work. Nothing could be further from the truth. Blacks have plenty of clarity that democratic strategies have major flaws, but they also are pretty clear that the GOP does not consider their support important or necessary to achieve governance and in fact will gladly cut its issues in wedge fashion against black interests. Add in glaring instances where GOP principles seemingly are selectively applied. Conservatives and/or Republicans appear to be not for less government; just less government for Blacks and other non-Whites. Example: Pay people in urban areas not to work (whose “beneficiaries are thought of as “Black” or at least not White) and we have “welfare” that must be reformed, if not completely done away with. But pay people in rural areas not to work (whose “beneficiaries” are thought of as “White” or at least not Black) and we have a “legitimate government program designed to preserve the family farm.” That kind of hypocrisy is not lost on blacks.
The GOP has funky messaging and some massive inconsistency about the application of conservative principles which is quite plain to black folks. So they stay with the Dems who while certainly inept, have made an investment in engagement with blacks while GOP leaders won’t show up to one high profile frikkin debate hosted by blacks during the primaries to avoid looking soft or off message to the “base”. Nobody in the GOP wants to deal with the fact that the party has consistently for years made the conscious decision that it does not need blacks to win governance and therefore there is no reason to invest in a relationship of any depth with this voting bloc.
The party is free to make that call, but then can't complain about the natural political consequences of that strategic judgment and should take responsibility for how it conducts its political business.
You cite Jesse Jackson as someone the Dems hush. That is no support at all for your argument. Jesse Jackson, who has done some good things, is these days little more than a irrelevant race hustler. He is part of the party establishment and no serious black person thinks of him as particularly consequential outside of racial politics. Furthermore, there are so many extremely influential blacks in politics, people far more consequential than Jackson, but thats the only one you can identify? Its emblematic of the GOP's lack of engagement with the black community.
Deal with it squarely. The GOP has for years decided it does not consider blacks a constituency important or necessary to its aspirations for governance and it conducts its political business accordingly. The GOP has won elections for many years operating in this fashion. Its been a conscious decision. Will it serve the GOP into the future? I say no. But the party can continue to make that call the same way. I simply would prefer that the party would be honest about the decision its making and stop insinuating blacks are too stupid and brainwashed to hook up with the GOP, when the fact is the GOP clearly does not believe engagement with the black vote at any meaningful political level is in its interests or furthers its aspirations for governance. We don’t. If we did, we would do the things we do for the other voting blocs we consider important. Blacks figured that out and they work with the other guys mostly. Entirely rational. When the GOP makes a different decision AND acts accordingly, I think the turnaround would be quite surprising. The GOP has to make the decision first.
Sorry for the long wind. Feel free to opine back as much or more.
Stumbled in here after being redstate banned and searching "601 Database redigestation error."
ReplyDeleteOdd that they bother to post a lame attempt at sarcasm comment as they exercise their right to be utterly rigid while trapped in the 2nd stage of grief.
The vitriole in the RedState blog reached a crescendo with the signing of the stimulus bill. There's a lot of really angry rednecks on that site and all they are interested in doing is throwing a juvenile tantrum and insulting less conservative participants in the blog. I think the moderator must have gone through all the posts and just done some wholesale banning. This is reminiscent of the way George W. Bush selected the people he was willing to speak in front of. Nobody with an opposing view was tolerated, largely because the president couldn't handle complex questions. He needed to have an overtly friendly audience to boost his confidence in his verbal ineptness. Still didn't work. Anyway, I don't miss going to RedState. One can only tolerate so much hate.
ReplyDeleteWhat is a redisgestation? I signed on to redstate because I wanted to engage conservates about what they stood for. I saw them standing against Obama. Everything was socialism. I took the handle "manifestdestiny" and suggested that America can take over the World by admitting other nations in as states. I got replies that said that conservatives were already accused of being imperialists. My last post used gospel quotes to point out how conservative economics were against the teachings of Jesus. I think that message is how Barack won last year and may be a sore spot.
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