A common response I hear to the different incidents of
police killings of unarmed citizens due to excessive force, mostly from white
people and from some blacks occasionally, is basically along the lines of
"why didn't they just do what the police told them to do?....why didn't
they comply?.... "why don't blacks respect police authority?"
So, to this point about compliance, watch the video for the
context of what I'm saying. The police in Cleveland shot 12 year old Tamir Rice
who had a toy gun within 2 seconds of arriving on the scene. Their vehicle did
not even come to a full stop. John Crawford in Dayton was basically shot on
sight in Walmart, again with a toy gun, in an open carry state. Those two and
Garner in NY, who was also unarmed and who had NOT committed any crime at the
time NYPD attempted to arrest him, were not given a fraction of the deference
the armed and openly defiant white man in this video was given. Look at the
number of officers on the scene. Listen to how much compassion and empathy they
show this man.
No compliance. Armed. Openly defiant. Yet shown so much
deference. You don't even have to ask what would happen if he were a black male
behaving this way because we already know what happens to UNARMED black males
who are even mildly non-compliant (Garner). Police would have responded with
lethal force. So the operative issue in these situations is not about
compliance with police authority.
Police can and do exercise their discretionary authority
differently for white people and black people. A black child with a toy gun in
Cleveland is shot dead in 2 seconds, while this armed non-compliant white male
is cajoled, coddled and catered to in an effort not to harm him. Blacks in
encounters with police rarely if ever receive such deference. You can find a
variety of videos like this online that demonstrate how differently this issue
of "compliance" with police authority is dealt with for blacks. His
life seemed to matter to the cops. Too often it appears that ours do not. So I
think the issue of compliance is merely a distraction from the real issue at
hand, namely the arbitrary and racially discriminatory fashion in which police
exercise their authority and discretion to act or not to act with escalating
levels of force against people of color.
In other words, it is the wrong approach to define black noncompliance
as the problem in these cases when this video clearly demonstrates the wide
array of effective responses available to police to deal with a person who is
ACTUALLY armed and dangerous. The problem is that when it comes to people of
color, police far too often bypass such responses and jump right to the use of
force to compel compliance, typically leaping over readily available
intermediate steps in the continuum of force in the process.
12 year old Tamir Rice came to the attention of police in
exactly the way this man did, a citizen called it in. He would be alive today
if he had been handled as this man was.
"Why didn't they just do what the police told them to
do?....why didn't they comply?.... "why don't blacks respect police
authority?"
Respect is continually earned
and can be easily lost. When black people repeatedly observe police engage in
excessive use of force or otherwise exercise heavy handed tactics and poor
professional judgement in our communities, police erode respect for their
authority. Beyond that, when blacks easily observe wide vast differences in the exercise of police discretion to use or not use force to obtain compliance, differences that are clearly based on the race of the citizen involved, police degrade their authority.
Furthermore, when Blacks repeatedly see these behaviors result in
catastrophic consequences to citizens in death, injury or other egregious harms
for which their should be accountability and police mislead, mischaracterize,
outright fabricate or lie about their actions, all while relying on the
societal presumption of their veracity, to avoid accountability, police erode
respect for their authority.
When police departments and court systems tell the
community that while its really too bad about what happened to your family
member or loved one that was caused by police actions, its really not our
fault, its not anyone's fault and no one will be held accountable, respect for
police authority is lost.
Long story short: blacks have little reason to respect the
authority of police if police are themselves not subject to any authority or
accountability no matter how egregious or destructive their behavior is.
francislholland · 536 weeks ago
Although this isn't formally the law, this understanding is enforced by police under the rubric of "reasonably fears for his safety or that of the public", where police reasonably fear Blacks are armed and reasonably fear armed Blacks, more than they fear whites, even when there is no objective reason to believe we are armed at all.
"Reasonable fear" obscures many other de facto doctrines, such as the belief that Blacks should obey whites without debate or delay, which goes all the way back to slavery.
The legacy of the Dred Scott decision, which was a judicial statement of a dominant societal understanding, is evident in the way police treat Blacks. 'Blacks have no rights that a white man is bound to respect,' including the rights to life and liberty.
Police, by their behavior, are constantly reading Blacks out Dred Scott rights.
Manhattan · 534 weeks ago
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Derek · 502 weeks ago
To make your case that compliance is not an issue, you need to demonstrate that in a statistically significant portion of black interactions with police where Blacks comply, they are harmed anyway. Since such is not the case, in fact the opposite is, teaching compliance irrespective of respect for police, would be akin to survival training.
Or are you saying Blacks cannot be taught self control and how to comply? I hope not.
Dana Allen · 497 weeks ago
http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVGreenBlackLive...
@politicalseason · 487 weeks ago
Call my judgment of you unfair if you like, but you give yourself away. You don't even attempt to address the substance of the individual case. You point to an article by one black person you can find who is debased enough in their own mind to use the same language of contempt you do.
If the only time you raise up the issue of deaths in the black community is to refute calls for police accountability, then you don't care about black lives at all, no matter how they were taken.
willamettevalley · 487 weeks ago
Yes, there are some bad shooting incidents. I can think of 3 from the past few years. In one the black man was not killed but clearly should not have been shot. There's the South Carolina case where the black man running away from the cop was shot in the back. Clearly the cop should be tried and convicted for murder in that case. And then there is the case in Chicago, where the young black man with a knife was shot while he was actually veering away from police with his walk. The rest of the cases that I am aware of are either not clear cut or I believe the police were justified in their use of force.
The common denominator in almost every case where a black person is shot by the police is complete lack of compliance (even in cases where I believe use of lethal force was not justified). In almost all cases, if the black person had a little more respect or at least complied with the police, they'd be alive today. For you to not encourage black people to comply with the police, and to continue to sow distrust of the police, makes you part of the problem rather than the solution.
Yes, whites commit the majority of total crime, but as I'm sure you know, blacks are 13% of the population and commit over 50% of the murders in the U.S. Police are justifiably more edgy when dealing with young black males that may be a threat, especially in high crime areas. If you were a cop in a high crime area, you'd be just as edgy.
Police also kill more whites every year (approx. 400) than blacks (approx. 300). Studies have been done which show 95+% of police shootings are justified. To say blacks are "routinely" gunned down by cops for no reason is simply not true. Yes, there are individual bad cases, but it is not an epidemic. FBI statistics for the last few years available are actually lower than the last 20 year average. So at the least it is not an increasing problem, but rather something that media has focused more upon in the past few years.
H Watkins · 454 weeks ago
Kary · 452 weeks ago
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ALEX · 444 weeks ago
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Mark · 444 weeks ago
And why are the cops so hostile? In urban areas where 70% of the blacks there have arrest records, are on drugs, shoot cops, victimize other blacks....it's not fair, but the cops are conditioned not to trust, to expect the worst when encountering a black -- even by black cops.
And your logic if flawed. Nearly all, but not all, cop shootings involved a black citizen defying a police order....not puting hands up, going fro something in their pocket when they're told not to move...not puting their hands behind their back, etc..
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Alex · 422 weeks ago
You are the reason why this nation is a war with itself. Instigating hatred with lies.
Shame on you.
Tom Crawford · 357 weeks ago
A large portion of how police respond to situations has much to do, for better or for worse, with how they are reported to 911. If one listens to the dispatch record in the Rice case, multiple citizens make calls that the young man is "pointing a gun at people", a true threat to public safety (absent the knowledge that he has an airsoft gun with the orange safety muzzle device removed), and is a felony crime. By contrast, the callers in the above video go out of their way to state that the subject has not menaced anyone with his firearm, and has therefore committed no crime as of yet.
Another point of contrast is that in the Rice case, both officers claim that the youngster reached for the "weapon" when ordered through the open window of the responding police car to show his hands, and again as they dismounted their vehicle. The fact that he was shot within two seconds of police arrival was controlled by Rice, not by the officers. If their account of events is accurate, they did exactly what they were trained to do.
The police in the video are not showing "deference" to a white man, they are simply behaving in line with their training because the subject has not yet committed a crime upon their arrival. Had they used deadly force immediately against him, I have no doubt that the same critics of the police would characterize them as having "killed a senior citizen for jaywalking".
I personally would have handled a black man with a rifle over his shoulder, who obviously was experiencing some emotional issues but had not yet endangered anyone in the same way. But rest assured that black or white, I would have approached him with my own weapon in hand, and had he reached for that rifle in an aggressive manner, I'd have killed him in a split second. His race simply would not have factored into my thinking at all.
I grieve for Tamir Rice, and for his family. I'm just sorry that he was so poorly supervised that he was out in public with something that looked very much like a real gun, pointing it at people, and that at his age, he did not yet have the sound judgment to drop it on the approach of police or simply put up his hands.
So you may well be right that police are quicker to use force on non-compliant black people than white, but I don't think these two cases show that fairly. In addition, and it may have just been a product of where I did police work, I admit, but I ran into a much higher percentage of non-compliant black males than white ones. It was almost as if it were a badge of honor for many of them to refuse to show me their ID, or show their hands when legally required to do so. Did I really want to have to compel that, or arrest them? Of course not.
Maybe we should look at, in the spirit of reducing risk to both sides, police and citizen, doing some education for the public about WHY a police officer at a traffic stop wants your ID before he does anything else, or why he tells you to take your hands out of your pockets. Each of these things has a specific reason in our training and is not personal. But there is a negative and unvarying response when you do not comply, which never turns out well for either side. This won't eliminate the problems caused by jerks on either side who don't show respect to each other, but perhaps it would help people of good will, police and citizens, from having quite so many problems.